1 00:00:04,770 --> 00:00:08,230 Is the sound good? All right. 2 00:00:10,170 --> 00:00:14,170 I was the one who planted explosives on the Rainbow Warrior. 3 00:00:20,430 --> 00:00:24,390 I see this mission as a great failure. 4 00:00:26,070 --> 00:00:29,810 The goal was not to massacre people. 5 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,860 Perhaps I was considered a killer, an assassin. 6 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:46,060 But the truth is quite complicated. 7 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:04,000 You consider it a scandal of the nuclear age? It was not a 8 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,000 accident. 9 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,440 Someone, somewhere, decided that they wanted to turn off our boat. 10 00:01:13,100 --> 00:01:15,400 Things like that don't happen in New Zealand. 11 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,120 When you are powerful, you don't have not have to pay for your crimes. 12 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,820 Murderers cannot be punished. 13 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:25,360 They must be expelled. 14 00:01:42,990 --> 00:01:47,530 7 days after the explosion that burned Rainbow Warrior, the crime remains 15 00:01:47,530 --> 00:01:50,490 insolvent. But progress is underway to do. 16 00:01:51,270 --> 00:01:55,290 The men and women who have been arrested earlier on charges of 17 00:01:55,290 --> 00:01:58,270 immigration, and they will appear on these charges in the district court this 18 00:01:58,270 --> 00:01:59,270 morning. 19 00:01:59,490 --> 00:02:04,830 Regarding UVIR, there is a lot of investigations that need to be 20 00:02:04,830 --> 00:02:05,830 done. 21 00:02:06,810 --> 00:02:11,150 One week after the investigation, the taranges are now in custody. 22 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:21,500 That is to say there were two teams that we 23 00:02:21,500 --> 00:02:26,880 know, but we knew that there had at least one other team 24 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,620 who put the bombs on the boat. 25 00:02:41,549 --> 00:02:42,770 Of course it's a mystery, okay. 26 00:02:43,010 --> 00:02:44,310 Otherwise, we would have stopped everything. 27 00:03:11,100 --> 00:03:13,840 They wanted the people who had it fact are affected. 28 00:03:38,300 --> 00:03:44,620 When there is a common attack, the authorities will seal off the airports, 29 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:45,640 etc. 30 00:03:46,260 --> 00:03:49,960 It's an island, so we can't save like this. 31 00:03:53,820 --> 00:03:58,500 The turanges, the OVA crew and We are different teams. 32 00:04:02,180 --> 00:04:06,860 The Zodiac pilot, the other diver, who is me, is us. 33 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:12,540 The third team is us who placed explosive charges on the 34 00:04:12,540 --> 00:04:13,540 Rainbow Warrior. 35 00:04:16,019 --> 00:04:17,620 We go to the south island. 36 00:04:19,660 --> 00:04:23,400 And the goal was to wait for the Things are settling down a little. 37 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,560 We are waiting for this moment when we will be able exfiltrate through airports. 38 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,900 But then things started to go wrong. 39 00:04:37,830 --> 00:04:39,570 The Turanges had been arrested. 40 00:04:40,770 --> 00:04:44,930 The UVA crew that intercepted a crazy look that the French are. 41 00:04:46,590 --> 00:04:50,150 All of a sudden, everyone is French was suspicious. 42 00:04:51,610 --> 00:04:53,750 We can clearly see the headlines in the newspapers. 43 00:04:55,590 --> 00:04:57,250 Everywhere we go, everyone speaks. 44 00:05:00,990 --> 00:05:04,770 So we said to ourselves, here we go, that's it the French castle. 45 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,960 Two or three times we had remarks. He told us, I hope 46 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,300 it wasn't you who blew it up the Rainbow Warrior. 47 00:05:14,700 --> 00:05:16,540 No, no, it's not us, but hey. 48 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:27,220 When we were at the youth hostel, the lady who was there, she had 49 00:05:27,220 --> 00:05:29,440 wanted to take a photo of us as a souvenir. 50 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,840 It's impossible for us to hide and say no, no, no photo. 51 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:36,360 Otherwise, we would have... 52 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,300 He immediately drew his rating. 53 00:05:39,780 --> 00:05:43,180 We played tourists and smiled at the camera. 54 00:05:46,740 --> 00:05:48,460 It's a little distracting. 55 00:05:50,940 --> 00:05:54,160 All fonts in the New Zealand are at most. 56 00:05:56,380 --> 00:06:02,720 If we get caught... At that point, France is completely revealed. 57 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,080 And for a clandestine agent, there is no nothing worse. 58 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,740 Our hope was that we could conclude that the OVIA team had 59 00:06:39,740 --> 00:06:41,580 been actively involved in the bombing. 60 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,020 After waiting ten days, we we received the results. 61 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,200 It was pretty incredible. 62 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:57,460 They detected a strong presence explosives on the boat, consist 63 00:06:57,460 --> 00:07:00,620 with those used to extinguish the Rambaud Warrior. 64 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,020 This is a huge piece of evidence. 65 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,200 We were able to prove that OVIA had was used as the vessel of 66 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,720 transport for used explosives in the bomb. 67 00:07:16,700 --> 00:07:17,880 But that wasn't all. 68 00:07:19,900 --> 00:07:24,340 Alan Turing's handles were found on a map chapter of 69 00:07:24,340 --> 00:07:27,160 Newman, found on the edge of the OVIA. 70 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,560 There is a bomb that cannot be denounced. 71 00:07:34,860 --> 00:07:41,480 It was clear that this whole team worked together to defend the 72 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,260 bomb from the kingdom of kingdoms, without doubt. 73 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:52,080 The AVEA had escaped, but we had always the taranges to help, 74 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,320 and we had enough evidence to accuse them of deaths. 75 00:08:07,070 --> 00:08:09,870 Subtitling 76 00:08:09,870 --> 00:08:14,470 MFP. 77 00:08:51,340 --> 00:08:55,120 Aspreto is the base for swimmers combat of the DGSE. 78 00:08:56,420 --> 00:09:02,100 Combat swimmers are above all a elite unit. 79 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,060 In 1985, I was captain. 80 00:09:09,180 --> 00:09:13,040 I have been warned that an operation is was preparing. 81 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,780 We are called into a room meeting. 82 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:29,140 And there he exposes me and my two teammates the goal of the mission. 83 00:09:31,540 --> 00:09:34,700 And all of a sudden we are told the objective. 84 00:09:37,780 --> 00:09:41,060 The nature of this mission was to sink the Rainbow Warrior. 85 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:46,760 They are anti-nuclear activists, peaceful ones. 86 00:09:48,680 --> 00:09:52,040 We were a little surprised. 87 00:09:52,540 --> 00:09:59,120 There is always among secret agents, there is always this 88 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,100 fear of being manipulated. 89 00:10:03,260 --> 00:10:09,920 We always have in mind to ask ourselves is what I'm being asked 90 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:16,340 really justified? And there we put the question, we asked but why 91 00:10:16,340 --> 00:10:17,440 Greenpeace? 92 00:10:19,020 --> 00:10:23,600 to target a peaceful movement and such a violent way. 93 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,980 Am I serving my country? Does I serve the interest of France? 94 00:10:27,980 --> 00:10:32,780 And there, we were told, but Greenpeace, 95 00:10:32,820 --> 00:10:39,220 they are infiltrated by the KGB, 96 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:44,500 and behind Greenpeace, it is the Union Soviet. 97 00:10:57,130 --> 00:10:59,910 So we accepted the mission. 98 00:11:07,870 --> 00:11:14,030 If we decide that at no time of its life, we will not be led to take a 99 00:11:14,030 --> 00:11:17,150 another life, we do not enter the army. We are not soldiers. 100 00:11:18,810 --> 00:11:22,650 I really started my career military in 1977. 101 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,900 My grandfather fought in the war 14-18. 102 00:11:31,420 --> 00:11:38,040 Often, when I was 3-4 years old, I would go keep the cows with him. 103 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:45,780 At the time, he told me about his war 14, his battle of Verdun, how he 104 00:11:45,780 --> 00:11:46,780 been gassed. 105 00:11:48,980 --> 00:11:54,240 And my father, he was conscripted by force in the German army. 106 00:11:54,880 --> 00:12:01,780 After the defeat of 1939, and therefore he the age of 17, he is 107 00:12:01,780 --> 00:12:07,460 sent to the Russian front and he celebrated his 18 years as a prisoner in the port 108 00:12:07,460 --> 00:12:08,460 from Odessa. 109 00:12:28,650 --> 00:12:33,050 In my mission, it was to transport hospitality from point A to point B. 110 00:12:34,990 --> 00:12:37,970 We take it and we deliver it, and then it's over. 111 00:12:39,830 --> 00:12:42,630 I want to be a soldier, so soldier, military. 112 00:12:43,550 --> 00:12:46,650 It's quite... It came quite soon, as far as I remember. 113 00:12:48,270 --> 00:12:50,430 My father, he was the last body global. 114 00:12:52,470 --> 00:12:54,330 Our parents, during the... 115 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,000 The last world war, I had experienced atrocities and I was happy to 116 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,000 'to be free. 117 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:01,980 It meant something. 118 00:13:05,980 --> 00:13:11,720 And so, this spirit passed to us to be proud, to be French. 119 00:13:14,020 --> 00:13:18,140 For French, to float, to be happy which floats, because it was more 120 00:13:18,140 --> 00:13:19,600 above than another, it was better when same. 121 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:23,180 When I was young, 122 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,440 We were in the middle of the Cold War the era. 123 00:13:27,340 --> 00:13:34,200 The Cold War is all about nuclear deterrence between the East 124 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:35,200 and the West. 125 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:41,580 The French have acquired the weapon nuclear to show that it was a 126 00:13:41,580 --> 00:13:42,580 power. 127 00:13:46,180 --> 00:13:49,400 And we saw what that gave, the communist regimes. 128 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,880 We must defend our values ​​of freedom. 129 00:13:54,220 --> 00:13:58,060 What interested me in life military is the service of a cause. 130 00:14:00,540 --> 00:14:03,320 And from a cause that we believe is real. 131 00:14:04,780 --> 00:14:10,320 I serve my country, I serve to protect my fellow citizens, my family, my loved ones. 132 00:14:12,420 --> 00:14:14,180 And it's a great cause. 133 00:14:25,870 --> 00:14:29,950 Today, a man and a woman are arrived at the Auckland church, accused 134 00:14:29,950 --> 00:14:33,030 of murder and artist, thinking of the church of the church of the church of the 135 00:14:33,030 --> 00:14:35,670 'church of the church of the church of the church of the church of the 136 00:14:35,670 --> 00:14:46,320 church 137 00:14:58,519 --> 00:15:03,860 I went to the indictment, physically. 138 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,320 The couple came. 139 00:15:08,580 --> 00:15:12,560 They didn't cry out of guilt. I think the judging session lasted 140 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,740 only 10, 15, 20 minutes. She doesn't have didn't last long. 141 00:15:40,380 --> 00:15:43,680 The day after the attack, we feel there good. 142 00:15:44,940 --> 00:15:48,440 For us, the mission happened in accordance with the planned plan. 143 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,820 We like to ski, so that's what that we did. 144 00:15:57,940 --> 00:16:04,760 Think about what when you went down tracks? Nothing. 145 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,080 The beauty of the landscapes, of skiing. 146 00:16:17,770 --> 00:16:23,470 But then, on the radio, we hear that he there was a death. 147 00:16:29,690 --> 00:16:30,250 C 148 00:16:30,250 --> 00:16:41,830 is 149 00:16:41,830 --> 00:16:42,830 there. 150 00:16:44,530 --> 00:16:46,170 It’s a complete game changer. 151 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:49,740 And there is a death. 152 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,440 We are no longer just saboteurs. 153 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,160 There was to be no death. 154 00:17:19,020 --> 00:17:20,020 I don't forget. 155 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,480 There needs to be a gap between people land and the people who decide. 156 00:17:32,380 --> 00:17:39,020 The objective was to stop the boat admiral of the Greenpeace fleet and 157 00:17:39,020 --> 00:17:41,780 go to the locations of tests. 158 00:17:42,140 --> 00:17:47,080 Several proposals were made by the officers of our service. 159 00:17:47,530 --> 00:17:51,530 Destroying the lines of a boat is block it for several weeks. 160 00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:57,490 We soak the boat's engine with techniques, products that we know 161 00:17:57,490 --> 00:17:58,490 do. 162 00:17:58,570 --> 00:18:01,050 It's a shame and it doesn't do it flow. 163 00:18:02,070 --> 00:18:05,870 There is no risk for passengers. 164 00:18:07,830 --> 00:18:11,290 So the solutions that were proposed were refused. 165 00:18:36,150 --> 00:18:43,130 We did everything on the ground 166 00:18:43,130 --> 00:18:44,530 to prevent deaths. 167 00:18:45,710 --> 00:18:47,950 We put two loads on this boat. 168 00:18:48,950 --> 00:18:51,430 By blowing the first charge... 169 00:18:51,820 --> 00:18:56,960 there would be an explosion, there would be a start of the boat, people 170 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,920 would come out. Before the second charge exploded, 171 00:19:01,020 --> 00:19:05,260 so there will be no death. 172 00:19:08,380 --> 00:19:14,620 At that time, I didn't imagine consequences other than a hole in the 173 00:19:14,620 --> 00:19:15,800 hull of the boat. 174 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,340 But when we lay down this burden, 175 00:19:22,860 --> 00:19:28,040 What we didn't know was that we becomes bruised, finally 176 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,600 assassins. 177 00:19:31,860 --> 00:19:36,400 And all our failures are called to be displayed in broad daylight. 178 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,600 The President of the National Assembly, Alan Galbraith, don't fix it 179 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,480 possibility of action by agents or terrorists. He says that those who have 180 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,140 planted the bombs knew well their job. 181 00:19:57,120 --> 00:20:02,780 At this point we were killing it the various people who placed the bombs 182 00:20:02,780 --> 00:20:03,780 on the Rambles Warriors. 183 00:20:04,620 --> 00:20:07,860 And, in fact, we were look for people who speak French. 184 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,760 We had obtained these arrival cards immigration. 185 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,460 Something like 66,000 immigration cards, all the planes that had arrived in New 186 00:20:17,460 --> 00:20:18,460 Zealand since April. 187 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,840 And we had officers just going through, picking out French, Swiss, French, 188 00:20:22,980 --> 00:20:23,980 Swiss, French, Swiss. 189 00:20:24,380 --> 00:20:29,420 And from those, we started tracking down these predominantly French people. 190 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,860 66 detectives have been put onto the case, working up to 16 hours a day, 7 191 00:20:34,860 --> 00:20:38,960 days a week. The threads of the inquiry have extended right around the world to 192 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:39,960 French Interpol. 193 00:20:47,810 --> 00:20:53,230 Once the public became aware that France may have been involved, it was quite 194 00:20:53,230 --> 00:20:57,970 incredible how people registered that they had spoken to a French guide one 195 00:20:57,970 --> 00:20:58,970 day. 196 00:20:59,470 --> 00:21:02,630 We're getting sightings of French-speaking people all over the 197 00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:03,630 country. 198 00:21:04,510 --> 00:21:06,130 The net was closing in. 199 00:21:09,740 --> 00:21:12,140 When we were going to take the plane. 200 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:18,320 We took a taxi, the taxi driver told us, where are you from? We are 201 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,500 German, so we were suspicious of everything world. 202 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,700 We arrive at the airport. 203 00:21:26,820 --> 00:21:31,580 I was a sports teacher in Tahiti, it was my cover. 204 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:38,520 The only problem, my passport was established with a Parisian address. 205 00:21:40,170 --> 00:21:41,530 We arrive at the counter. 206 00:21:42,450 --> 00:21:43,950 I gave my passport. 207 00:21:45,730 --> 00:21:49,430 I saw in her look at this lady that I was suspicious. 208 00:21:50,810 --> 00:21:57,090 It's the feminine instinct, I don't know not, which means she must have felt 209 00:21:57,090 --> 00:21:58,090 something. 210 00:21:59,110 --> 00:22:01,050 She called her manager. 211 00:22:02,670 --> 00:22:06,890 There was the moment when the heart beat stronger. 212 00:22:10,660 --> 00:22:12,220 His manager came. 213 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,260 And in fact, I asked for the explanations. For what ? Is there 214 00:22:19,260 --> 00:22:26,200 had a problem with my passport? And 215 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:32,040 the manager let him go. 216 00:22:36,940 --> 00:22:41,080 When the plane takes off, yes, we are relieved. 217 00:22:43,540 --> 00:22:45,960 But we're not proud of that. 218 00:22:46,900 --> 00:22:49,280 As one might exult after a victory. 219 00:22:51,180 --> 00:22:56,640 We think of Fernando Pereira, Turanges who are arrested. 220 00:22:58,720 --> 00:22:59,740 We are not proud. 221 00:23:27,620 --> 00:23:34,140 The natural suspects were French, for obvious reasons, 222 00:23:34,260 --> 00:23:36,740 but we have no evidence. 223 00:23:43,250 --> 00:23:44,370 In 1985, 224 00:23:45,150 --> 00:23:51,650 I entered the government to be Minister of the Interior, commanded by the 225 00:23:51,650 --> 00:23:52,650 President Mitterrand. 226 00:23:53,490 --> 00:23:57,910 In France, it's a bit the same Home Secretary in Great Britain. 227 00:23:59,330 --> 00:24:00,970 The police chief was me. 228 00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:04,410 I knew the truth very quickly. 229 00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:05,850 There was a... 230 00:24:06,300 --> 00:24:10,060 A crime that was committed in New Zealand by people who 231 00:24:10,060 --> 00:24:11,740 revealed themselves to be French agents. 232 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,760 So it was totally crazy. We had to hard to believe it. And then it was when 233 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:17,760 even the truth. 234 00:24:18,740 --> 00:24:21,360 And that's why it was difficult for me. 235 00:24:24,500 --> 00:24:29,140 I had both the function to help New Zealand justice in 236 00:24:29,140 --> 00:24:33,320 his investigations and at the same time protect the French. 237 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,920 It was an exceptional situation. 238 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:58,900 When we received 239 00:24:58,900 --> 00:25:03,600 Interpol requests on a number telephone, we wanted to jam the 240 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,700 tracks. We made a montage, we makes a fable. 241 00:25:58,319 --> 00:26:01,120 In 1985, 242 00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:06,180 This story which bounces back into the French press. 243 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:13,080 Articles are published claiming that these are the French secret services 244 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:18,500 who are responsible for this attack. To this time, I am not at all a 245 00:26:18,500 --> 00:26:22,960 service specialist information. And so Georges Marion 246 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,980 knew well and I will decide to to do tandem with him. 247 00:26:26,620 --> 00:26:29,480 In 1985, I was in Canada in chains. 248 00:26:30,250 --> 00:26:36,730 They were looking for police investigations, state scandals, finally all these 249 00:26:36,730 --> 00:26:39,230 things that are a little troubled. 250 00:26:39,910 --> 00:26:46,410 At this republic time, there were two teams that were 251 00:26:46,410 --> 00:26:52,030 spotted by New Zealand police. The false Turange spouses, who on the other 252 00:26:52,030 --> 00:26:54,570 side, the French crew of the sailboat UVA. 253 00:26:55,790 --> 00:26:57,810 They were service people secrets. 254 00:26:58,330 --> 00:26:59,590 There is no evidence. 255 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,160 He did it. 256 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,680 It was the soap opera of the summer. 257 00:27:29,130 --> 00:27:31,710 It is the question of whether France sabotaged the Greenpeace boat, 258 00:27:32,090 --> 00:27:33,090 Rainbow Warrior. 259 00:27:33,230 --> 00:27:36,410 It's now in the hands of 65 years of Anne-Marie Tricot. 260 00:27:36,890 --> 00:27:41,550 It is Tricot, the civil servant of Gaulle, that François Mitterrand 261 00:27:41,550 --> 00:27:45,030 turned, giving him all the powers to trigger the truth in the event of 262 00:27:45,030 --> 00:27:49,170 emergency. The President's Instruction Mitterrand is that everyone here who 263 00:27:49,170 --> 00:27:52,890 is guilty of the involvement should be punished severely, regardless of rank. 264 00:28:04,010 --> 00:28:05,010 There, 265 00:28:09,090 --> 00:28:10,450 serious investigations have begun. 266 00:28:11,950 --> 00:28:18,130 Knitting, which speaks to all fat people ministries, and many officials 267 00:28:18,130 --> 00:28:20,750 who speak with Admiral Lacoste. 268 00:28:21,740 --> 00:28:24,040 The head of the DGSE secret services. 269 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:30,720 The secret services were the army. And so, he speaks with Charles Aignu, 270 00:28:30,780 --> 00:28:37,100 who is the minister of the armies, who was responsible for the COS. 271 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,120 The two named by Mitterrand, the president of the Republic. 272 00:28:43,980 --> 00:28:46,420 François Mitterrand, he becomes president in 81. 273 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:48,780 Mitterrand is a socialist. 274 00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:50,500 Very intelligent. 275 00:28:51,660 --> 00:28:55,400 But there are dangerous parts of the character of Mitterrand. 276 00:28:56,100 --> 00:29:02,720 The period when François Mitterrand was Minister of Justice, there was the 277 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,860 greatest number of executions capitals. 278 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:12,720 He's an ambiguous, devious, complicated guy. no doubt. 279 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,400 Mitterrand, he knows that Bernard Tricot is a very respectable man. 280 00:29:21,630 --> 00:29:24,950 His report is still extraordinary. 281 00:29:51,629 --> 00:29:55,330 The Tricot report says yes, there was full of secret agents in New 282 00:29:55,330 --> 00:29:58,690 -Zealand. But he stops at making one monitoring mission. 283 00:30:00,110 --> 00:30:02,610 There is no order to sink the Rainbow Warrior. 284 00:30:03,610 --> 00:30:04,710 That seems crazy to us. 285 00:30:05,850 --> 00:30:09,770 I don't believe that for a minute, nor for a minute second. 286 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:31,280 In addition, in the Tricot report, the agents are identified in terms 287 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,460 functional, their titles, their ranks, their unit. 288 00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:47,860 The other French agents, on the UVEA, were various military 289 00:30:47,860 --> 00:30:49,580 specialized in the water force. 290 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,820 Trico revealed them as the leader army army Roland Verge, army 291 00:30:54,820 --> 00:30:58,080 of the army Jean-Michel Barthelot and the army of the army Gérard Andrés. 292 00:30:58,540 --> 00:31:01,320 The fourth member of the army was revealed a civilian. 293 00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:19,310 They appointed secret agents who aroused confidence in the head 294 00:31:19,310 --> 00:31:20,310 by Rico. 295 00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:25,170 Besides, it will hurt a lot agents. 296 00:31:26,210 --> 00:31:30,930 When you're a secret agent, that means that you accept that the State 297 00:31:30,930 --> 00:31:33,610 orders to commit crimes, crimes. 298 00:31:33,970 --> 00:31:39,210 But the Faustian pact between the agent secret and its democratic state, it 299 00:31:39,210 --> 00:31:40,210 is... 300 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,020 I order you this, but in exchange, I protects. 301 00:31:50,660 --> 00:31:53,960 There, we feel betrayed by its management. 302 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,780 We are here to defend our country. 303 00:32:02,820 --> 00:32:08,420 People commit to sacrifice for others, so that others can 304 00:32:08,420 --> 00:32:09,620 live in peace. 305 00:32:11,790 --> 00:32:13,810 It was a huge mistake. 306 00:33:01,860 --> 00:33:07,480 The Tricot report, for me, will be worth it green light. 307 00:33:08,170 --> 00:33:12,550 To continue searching, they could continue to lie for a long time. 308 00:33:13,230 --> 00:33:15,270 So that was the issue. 309 00:33:16,530 --> 00:33:17,870 An investigation is a puzzle. 310 00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:21,510 To find, you have to know what you looking for. 311 00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:28,170 Who planted the explosives? The fakes husband of Turance, 312 00:33:28,330 --> 00:33:33,270 the sailors of Ouvéa, they could not plant the bomb. 313 00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:36,890 If it's not them, it's not the others. 314 00:33:37,610 --> 00:33:39,130 There is a third team. 315 00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:44,570 And the only question is who is this third team made up? 316 00:33:44,570 --> 00:33:48,770 Who they identified as a secret agent French? Without it would be terrorism 317 00:33:48,770 --> 00:33:54,210 of State, we are of course facing a wall. If we cannot say who put the 318 00:33:54,210 --> 00:33:59,850 bomb, we have a working hypothesis already. 319 00:34:01,550 --> 00:34:04,030 So they were people from the action department. 320 00:34:05,230 --> 00:34:07,790 of the French army, its services secrets. 321 00:34:09,870 --> 00:34:16,130 There, you will knock on doors, and either you can't find it, or you 322 00:34:16,130 --> 00:34:17,130 pull the right thread. 323 00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:24,469 Me, my advantage, and I share this source with Georges Marion, it is d 324 00:34:24,469 --> 00:34:28,570 'have a relationship of trust, because that I am a police rubricard, with 325 00:34:28,570 --> 00:34:30,570 someone who is at the heart of the device of state. 326 00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:35,380 The source is the treasure of journalism. 327 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,080 I saw him regularly. 328 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,080 There were a number of people who esteemed him with confidence, and full of 329 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,199 'estrangements, we were part of them. 330 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:53,040 He is a fairly tall, stout man, and he loved good restaurants, 331 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,139 good wine, and good whiskey too. 332 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,420 We had a code. 333 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,240 We must immediately give them a pseudonym. 334 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,040 Because otherwise, one day you will betray. 335 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,340 That is to say one day you will call him by his real name. 336 00:35:12,660 --> 00:35:18,680 And there is a novel below the volcano by Malcolm Lorry, which the character 337 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,700 principal, who really likes whiskey, is British consul. 338 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,080 So this whiskey lover, I have it called the consul. 339 00:35:32,620 --> 00:35:36,960 And so, he invites us, full element, for dinner on a Friday evening. 340 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,520 I designed it. It's not just anyone. 341 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,740 He's not the local bum. 342 00:35:44,420 --> 00:35:47,200 He was the general director of the national police. 343 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:49,980 Pierre Verbrugge. 344 00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:55,000 And so, he is a person who revealed no secrets. 345 00:35:56,020 --> 00:36:00,960 But if we asked the right questions, he says, yes, maybe it's not all 346 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:01,960 does that. 347 00:36:02,540 --> 00:36:04,580 And where we play cat and mouse. 348 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,720 So we sit, we discuss, we talk. 349 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,880 From a dinner which should last 4-5 hours, it You have to earn trust. It's like this 350 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:20,620 that we arrive in a conversation at see at some point what we are looking for. 351 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,300 Every meeting begins with a good pure malt. 352 00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:31,280 And then, with him, there was wine behind. 353 00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:39,240 Armagnac, he was able to rinse all that with beer and leaving. 354 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:46,480 And then finally, since my head was spinning a little, it's me who says to myself, 355 00:36:46,620 --> 00:36:48,620 suddenly, you have to go. 356 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:56,480 And there, the matter of the Rainbow Warrior, 357 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,160 That's it, we understand. 358 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,580 There was a third team, combat swimmers, 359 00:37:03,470 --> 00:37:06,850 People from the French army, from these secret services. 360 00:37:09,610 --> 00:37:12,310 And we waited, we waited a lot. 361 00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:20,710 Where we go, the whole House of Cards goes fall when we say that there is a 362 00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:21,710 third team. 363 00:37:22,670 --> 00:37:25,010 These are people from these secret services. 364 00:37:26,490 --> 00:37:31,830 It's a big deal, the attack on Rainbow Warrior. 365 00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:36,620 So it was a total operation the French state. 366 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,720 I made a note to my superiors in saying that I can write. 367 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:48,440 We agree and shall we go? He says let's go. 368 00:38:01,350 --> 00:38:05,610 Directly challenging the official French government line, their investigations 369 00:38:05,610 --> 00:38:08,830 convinced them the officers involved were obeying orders. 370 00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:14,270 The question is how far up the chain of command those orders went. 371 00:38:15,090 --> 00:38:19,970 If what Le Monde says is true, then the shadow of responsibility moves squarely 372 00:38:19,970 --> 00:38:23,170 inside the government and towards the Elysee Palace itself. 373 00:38:37,550 --> 00:38:39,970 And at that moment there was a crisis very deep. 374 00:38:45,630 --> 00:38:46,750 Mitterrand was not happy. 375 00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:54,030 The bombing, some said, on his order. 376 00:38:55,690 --> 00:38:57,310 It was a media storm. 377 00:38:59,610 --> 00:39:03,750 Garnier, who is the Minister of the Armed Forces, who says, it's a scandal, never it's 378 00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:06,070 not true, it's not the truth, I'm going pursue the world. 379 00:39:07,790 --> 00:39:11,350 The impression of this affair is huge. 380 00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:18,470 It's a 381 00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:30,970 dirty 382 00:39:30,970 --> 00:39:35,410 affair. The consequences could be catastrophic. 383 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,720 And so in the end, it all ended up being made public. France recognized everything 384 00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:41,720 what had happened. 385 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:48,640 Prime Minister, Laurent Fabius, was behind a microphone and he endorsed everything 386 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,360 what the world had said. 387 00:39:51,660 --> 00:39:53,720 This is a great moment in journalism. 388 00:39:54,540 --> 00:40:00,680 It was the DGSE agents who sank this boat. 389 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,500 Finally, we assume responsibility. 390 00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:11,120 It was a decided attack, ordered by political power. 391 00:40:47,770 --> 00:40:51,910 Defense Minister Charles Ernest, he resigned. 392 00:40:53,250 --> 00:40:57,110 Admiral Lacoste who led the special services. 393 00:40:58,340 --> 00:41:01,440 to resign because we helped him to think he should resign. 394 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:08,080 The two resignations are to protect the chairman of any disturbing question 395 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,140 to protect François Mitterrand. 396 00:41:11,980 --> 00:41:17,380 The real legal manager was the one who gave the order of the cause. 397 00:41:18,820 --> 00:41:22,400 Had he informed Mitterrand of precise way? We don't know. 398 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,900 Mitterrand said "I was aware of nothing.” 399 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:32,500 But listen, France is not a banana republic. 400 00:41:32,980 --> 00:41:39,800 It is impossible for a secret service to decide on an operation without 401 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,760 have a green light from the highest political authority. 402 00:41:45,140 --> 00:41:49,340 Because a mission of this type, the president is necessarily aware. 403 00:41:50,900 --> 00:41:54,340 This type of operation cannot be do without the approval of the president. 404 00:41:57,410 --> 00:42:00,630 Normally, there should have been questions asked of the president. 405 00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:05,910 Normally, there should have been a parliamentary commission of inquiry. 406 00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:09,230 No commission of inquiry parliamentary. 407 00:42:11,350 --> 00:42:16,070 Never, never François Mitterrand will be faced with a question about 408 00:42:16,070 --> 00:42:17,070 Greenpeace affair. 409 00:42:21,090 --> 00:42:26,350 In this case, justice was the work of the New Zealand Police. 410 00:42:37,740 --> 00:42:42,640 When we were waiting for the trial Maffa and Prayer, the taronges, she 411 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:47,480 was in prison in Madden and he was in prison in Perumarumu. 412 00:42:48,340 --> 00:42:52,340 It was quite a feeling extraordinary to think that the 413 00:42:52,340 --> 00:42:56,980 Israeli police officers had in fact captured agents of another country. And 414 00:42:56,980 --> 00:42:59,660 they weren't just old guys agents, they are agents of the DGSE. 415 00:43:00,140 --> 00:43:02,520 You know, some of the best agents of the world. 416 00:43:07,980 --> 00:43:10,740 But we were very worried about their security. 417 00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:15,040 Security at the correction center military is normally low, but 418 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,340 today all that has changed. 419 00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:22,080 There was a rump circulating that the French may have wanted to try to 420 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,080 get them out of prison. 421 00:43:24,540 --> 00:43:28,140 We needed to put them in more secure facilities. 422 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,160 Captain Dominique Prieur was transferred this morning from a prison in 423 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,160 Christchurch. 424 00:43:33,460 --> 00:43:36,320 It appears that she is the only enemy of the institution. 425 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:42,540 We stole Dominique Prieur in a helicopter at the military prison of 426 00:43:42,540 --> 00:43:43,540 Yardmore. 427 00:43:44,420 --> 00:43:49,120 And I remember putting myself out there with Deputy Sgt Batchelor, and in 428 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:54,480 looking at the trees, there were three or four soldiers in the trees, 429 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,900 'comfortable at the reception where we were. 430 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,480 French species, terrorism, things like that don't happen in 431 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:03,480 New Zealand. 432 00:44:05,820 --> 00:44:09,080 Prieur and Nassar face challenges very serious charges. 433 00:44:12,180 --> 00:44:17,920 Weapon damage, explosions, conspiracies to commit arsenal and 434 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:18,920 deaths. 435 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,820 The flowers were convinced that they had been in prison for a long time. 436 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,080 You are happy with the conditions of the art of Tourange which is in the process of 437 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:33,080 take place in Mount Eden? 438 00:44:33,950 --> 00:44:36,550 I am happy with the conditions. 439 00:44:37,090 --> 00:44:41,650 Are they healthy at this time? that moment? According to what they 440 00:44:41,650 --> 00:44:48,290 face, which is a criminal trial very substantial, and despite the fact that 441 00:44:48,290 --> 00:44:55,050 'they were isolated here from family and friends, they are in good health 442 00:44:55,050 --> 00:44:57,070 and psychologically strong. 443 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,580 Of course, we think of Turan. 444 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,040 Maffar, I know him well. 445 00:45:07,580 --> 00:45:09,100 An excellent officer. 446 00:45:10,780 --> 00:45:14,400 Dominique Prieur is a woman extremely intelligent. 447 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:16,680 They are comrades. 448 00:45:18,300 --> 00:45:23,980 We know that there is of course a risk of going into prison, for a long time. 449 00:45:27,380 --> 00:45:29,100 But it wasn't really theirs responsibility. 450 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:36,400 From the French point of view, no, this were not criminals. 451 00:45:38,660 --> 00:45:41,100 They were soldiers who had forgot orders. 452 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,360 Every time the major Alain Maffar and Captain Dominique Prieur 453 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,740 appear before at the School of Auclid, security has been exhausted. 454 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,520 Outside, the television cameras are focused on the building and 455 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,820 lights are mounted above the door. The measurements are inconsistent 456 00:46:09,820 --> 00:46:10,820 for this country. 457 00:46:27,569 --> 00:46:34,270 This is what we 458 00:46:34,270 --> 00:46:35,790 let's look forward to this trial. 459 00:46:51,180 --> 00:46:54,180 This is what the world expects and I think that the eyes of the world are on what is going 460 00:46:54,180 --> 00:46:55,180 happening here at this court. 461 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,020 The French will be judged by what happens pass here. 462 00:46:59,980 --> 00:47:04,760 The interest was enormous because it was such a unique situation. 463 00:47:05,380 --> 00:47:08,100 There were media from all over the world. 464 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,020 It was an important event. 465 00:47:19,260 --> 00:47:21,660 Two police cars got them escorted with flattering lights. 466 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:53,140 There was a degree of tension in the room for many people. It was the 467 00:47:53,140 --> 00:47:55,380 first time that the taronges had been seen. 468 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,420 But when the registrar started speak, he said something that 469 00:48:05,420 --> 00:48:06,420 shocked everyone. 470 00:48:17,740 --> 00:48:21,400 Instead of the charge of murder, she used the word manslaughter. 471 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:29,960 Just before the trial, we were presented by their counsel with the 472 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:30,960 proposal. 473 00:48:31,740 --> 00:48:36,780 If the murder charges were reduced to manslaughter charges, they would plead 474 00:48:36,780 --> 00:48:37,738 guilty. 475 00:48:37,740 --> 00:48:41,200 A current prosecutor in Auckland decided to accept. 476 00:48:41,980 --> 00:48:46,040 The concern was that the evidence to connect the Taronges to the current 477 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,040 bombing 478 00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:13,230 The case took 10 minutes and that's it. 479 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:20,060 It was disappointing that we didn't have could present the real evidence against 480 00:49:20,060 --> 00:49:21,200 Mafar and Prior. 481 00:49:21,660 --> 00:49:24,420 That would have shown exactly what the French had done. 482 00:49:26,660 --> 00:49:28,700 There was a feeling at the meeting of the court of the Rainbow Warriors 483 00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:32,620 Warrior in Auckland this morning. Both French secret agents were sent 484 00:49:32,620 --> 00:49:33,820 in prison for 10 years. 485 00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,340 Mafar and Prieur were imprisoned for 10 years. 486 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,120 And that, for a load of manslaughter, it's quite important. 487 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,920 But some people thought that it wasn't 488 00:49:45,920 --> 00:50:08,048 sufficient. 489 00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:37,660 We did not obstruct 490 00:50:37,660 --> 00:50:41,340 to justice, but after all, we were judged. 491 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,800 So we wanted to save them, we wanted protect them. 492 00:50:44,660 --> 00:50:48,040 These are people who had obeyed imbecile orders. 493 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,200 So we had to help them get out of there. 494 00:50:53,850 --> 00:50:56,490 So there were discussions with the New Zealand. 495 00:50:57,750 --> 00:51:02,270 Yes, there have been economic pressures on imports of certain 496 00:51:02,270 --> 00:51:03,270 products. 497 00:51:04,250 --> 00:51:05,670 Mutton or butter chops. 498 00:51:08,050 --> 00:51:10,250 Above all, everyone wanted let it work out. 499 00:51:10,750 --> 00:51:12,370 Finally, it worked out amicable. 500 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:42,300 But I think that, philosophically, the police had to accept that we 501 00:51:42,300 --> 00:51:45,380 had done our job. What happened passed after that we could not 502 00:51:45,380 --> 00:51:46,380 change. 503 00:52:07,310 --> 00:52:11,590 You can repair a boat, really, with enough money, time and 504 00:52:11,590 --> 00:52:12,590 'efforts. 505 00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:16,990 And there were certainly people inside Greenpeace who wanted 506 00:52:16,990 --> 00:52:18,650 that it be repaired. 507 00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:23,730 Some people wanted to make a museum of her. I wouldn't have liked that, 508 00:52:23,810 --> 00:52:24,910 because it was a boat of life. 509 00:52:27,770 --> 00:52:29,450 It was his life. 510 00:52:34,890 --> 00:52:39,870 It was decided that in the end, the best thing to do was to 511 00:52:39,870 --> 00:52:40,870 kill. 512 00:52:45,090 --> 00:52:50,970 We got the tribe's offer to Western New Zealand 513 00:52:50,970 --> 00:52:53,570 set up at Matauri Bay. 514 00:52:56,250 --> 00:52:57,970 It's a beautiful place. 515 00:52:58,670 --> 00:53:01,510 Sometimes it feels really good. 516 00:53:03,550 --> 00:53:04,550 She is there. 517 00:53:06,170 --> 00:53:09,430 She's a living river there now. 518 00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:14,750 And all the Greenpeace ships, when they arrive in New Zealand, they 519 00:53:14,750 --> 00:53:16,510 go via her. 520 00:53:19,490 --> 00:53:26,390 They pay their respects and then... they continue. 521 00:53:58,540 --> 00:53:59,920 It was at that time. 522 00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:08,100 The two French spies they have attacked, they were 523 00:54:08,100 --> 00:54:12,140 repatriated to France and were treated like heroes when they came back. 524 00:54:17,900 --> 00:54:20,320 So it was all very sad. 525 00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,580 No justice for Fernando, no justice for Fernando. 526 00:54:28,650 --> 00:54:30,090 his children or his family. 527 00:54:59,980 --> 00:55:02,540 I discovered he had a little 3 year old girl. 528 00:55:05,100 --> 00:55:07,960 And my daughter had just been born. 529 00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:16,620 And I couldn't help but do this comparison and to say, is that 530 00:55:16,620 --> 00:55:23,620 it's me that my daughter could have lost ? I couldn't take the 531 00:55:23,620 --> 00:55:25,700 word without expressing my regrets. 532 00:55:27,690 --> 00:55:31,130 And my apologies to the people New Zealand. 533 00:55:35,330 --> 00:55:39,630 People from Greenpeace and of course the family of Fernando Pereira. 534 00:55:41,130 --> 00:55:44,270 And my thoughts, of course, go to these children. 535 00:56:03,169 --> 00:56:06,770 If we hadn't had a government that wanted to punch 536 00:56:06,770 --> 00:56:11,430 'business, if we hadn't had a Minister of Defense a little go away 537 00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:18,410 -war which really wanted to mark its passing through an action, we 538 00:56:18,410 --> 00:56:22,850 would have blocked the boat, no one would never have spoken. 539 00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:33,640 Others paid heavily and dearly for this show which, in 540 00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,540 fact, should not have done without this way. 541 00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,860 I think it might be the politicians who sent them there 542 00:56:57,860 --> 00:56:59,580 who should pay for their crimes. 543 00:57:00,500 --> 00:57:02,360 We shouldn't blame the soldiers. 544 00:57:12,460 --> 00:57:19,360 The last time 545 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,580 I was in the markets, it was in 2013. 546 00:57:35,260 --> 00:57:41,600 It's important to tell the story and not to forget. 547 00:57:54,750 --> 00:57:56,070 For many different reasons. 548 00:57:56,830 --> 00:58:00,650 But it's also... It's also always real today. 549 00:58:01,470 --> 00:58:04,390 Sometimes we don't learn, unfortunately. 550 00:58:05,730 --> 00:58:07,590 We need to retell the stories. 551 00:58:10,250 --> 00:58:12,710 We have always had the same struggle.